'Batman
Vs Superman' And 'Captain America 3' Won't Face Off
In 2016 - 26th March 2014
(Forbes.com)


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Its
a rumble that has everyone salivating, the first true
face-off between DC and Marvel since the superhero
genre took control of cinema. Warner Bros. recently
rescheduled their upcoming Man of Steel sequel (commonly
referred to by the placeholder title Batman
vs. Superman, but that could change soon) to release
on May 6th, the same date as a Marvel movie whose
title had yet to be announced.
However,
The Hollywood Reporter heard from their sources that
the unnamed Marvel movie is a third Captain America
film. Some public comments, notably from actor Chris
Evans (who plays Captain America in the film series),
suggested the information is likely correct. (Marvel
also hasnt even denied the report, so that adds
to the perception the story is correct.) But Marvel
Studios President Kevin Feige wouldnt confirm
the identity of the mystery movie, although he suggested
Marvel isnt going to change release dates merely
due to the scheduling of the Superman sequel on the
same weekend.
Ive
been asked repeatedly by fans and other journalists
if I think Captain America 3 would perform well against
a Batman-Superman-Wonder-Woman film, and which studio
I think will give in first. Meanwhile, fans all over
the Internet are debating which studio should move
and which film would win in a head-to-head battle,
with most fans seeming frustrated or angry at the
thought of both films facing off and neither studio
wanting to budge.
Well,
the reality is that of course there isnt going
to be any true May 6th confrontation between these
films. And I dont believe anybody at either
studio ever seriously thought there would be. More
to the point, though, despite the fact that of course
theres competitiveness and trash-talk, and despite
the fact both studios want their own films to be the
best and highest grossing, neither studio actually
wants the other to fail or wants to sink one anothers
films or franchises. Fans think that way. The press
thinks that way. But businesses with hundreds of millions
of dollars invested in the assumption this genre will
continue to be popular, and that audiences will continue
feeling happy with superhero movies, do not feel that
way.

All
you need to do to understand the entire situation
is ask yourself two simple questions: Do you think
Warner Bros. wishes Marvel hadnt made The Avengers
and that audiences hadnt flocked to see it?
And do you think Marvel wishes Warner Bros. hadnt
made the Superman or Batman films in the past and
had major success creating the superhero film genre?
The
true superhero film genre has existed for about 35
years, since Christopher Reeve first soared across
the big screen and convinced millions of moviegoers
that a man could fly. Those first two Superman films,
and then the first Batman movie in 1989, proved the
blockbuster potential of the new genre. The launching
of the genre required characters with the brand recognition
and popularity to pull it off in the first place.
Superman is the most recognizable superhero in the
world, the very first true comic book superhero, and
so was a natural choice to kick things off. Batman
was at the time probably the second-most-recognizable
superhero in the U.S. (and remember, at that time
the domestic box office was much more important than
foreign markets), and the only one really getting
any consistent push for a feature film (thanks to
the determination of producer Michael Uslan, who didnt
let years of studio refusals dampen his certainty
that the Caped Crusader could be awesome cinematic
gold).
Obviously,
it took a couple of additional decades to perfect
it, but the point is that in the earliest days DC
superheroes dominated the big screen, and were probably
the only ones with a chance to get the superhero genre
up and running (or flying). All the other films that
came after benefited from those early films, and its
likely it wouldve taken decades longer for any
real superhero genre to be successfully established
if not for those initial DC movies. Marvel and other
studios are without a doubt grateful for Superman
and Batman being blockbuster hits, and paving the
way for everybody else.
Conversely,
in the last decade or more (since roughly 2000), it
has been Marvel characters whose films have driven
the superhero genre and dominated the box office most
of the time. It was the X-Men and Spider-Man franchises
in the early 2000s that revived the struggling genre,
and by the end of this year studios from Marvel to
Fox to Sony will have unleashed 34 movies based on
Marvel superheroes since 2000. DC film adaptations
in the same time period have primarily consisted of
the Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy, the Superman
films Superman Returns and Man of Steel, Watchmen,
Green Lantern, and a handful of other films that are
mostly actually outside the specific superhero genre
itself. However, through all of that, Warner/DC were
not hoping that the Marvel movies would flop or that
the Marvel plans for building a shared cinematic universe
would fail. The success of all of those Marvel movies
helped along with the enormous success of Nolans
Batman series turn superheroes into box office
gold.

Indeed,
the subsequent record-shattering success of The Avengers
was another godsend to studios, and Warner in particular
actually was probably cheering over the financial
prospects the Marvel team-up blockbuster implied for
the future. Warner Bros. had an incredible revenue
stream from the Harry Potter and Christopher Nolan
movies over a 12 year period, bringing in so many
billions of dollars that the success level gave rise
to the question, What will the following decade
be like without the same sort of money-printing machines
as those two series?
Ive
long argued (not that its a big surprise or
insight) that the answer to that question would lie
in part in finally exploiting the DC Comics superhero
properties to a much larger extent on film, but for
Warner Bros. the complicating factor was that theyre
in the business of investing their money in a lot
more than just superhero movies. They cant just
invest every dime into half-a-dozen or ten superhero
tentpole franchises. Besides, theyve just not
had the same degree of luck with other superheroes
as theyve enjoyed from Superman and Batman.
The
obvious answer, which the studio did arrive at several
years ago, was to use a team-up movie like Justice
League to bring a bunch of characters to the screen,
then just spin off the most popular ones while delivering
occasional team-ups every few years. But could it
work? There was some risk, since if it failed then
their two biggest superheroes Batman and Superman
could get tainted as well. Warner kept trying
to make it work, and even came close to starting filming
on the Justice League: Mortal project back in 2007
before cancelling it. Luckily, Marvel had their own
plan to step foot in that risky territory, so Warner
could afford to hold off and make sure the way was
clear.
Well,
we all know how that worked out, and now every other
studio wants their own expanded, unified superhero
universe full of franchises. And while theyll
compete and hope to outperform one another, they all
appreciate what the others have done to contribute
to this enormous success theyre all enjoying.

Audiences
love superhero films right now, but there was a time
when the publics taste for them seemed to have
declined considerably for a while. This was of course
due to the quality of what was being churned out,
but nevertheless the point remains that like any other
genre, superhero films cant take for granted
the publics good graces. So as long as everyones
films are for the most part performing well, the studios
can feel safe. And they all know that good will from
the public for their own films depends a lot on how
happy the public is with the other movies out there
from rival studios. If suddenly the public disliked
a bunch of superhero films in a row and those movies
flopped, you think that wouldnt bode ill for
other superhero films awaiting release?
That
preference for all films of the genre to enjoy success,
to boost public good will and keep the superhero movies
atop the cinematic mountaintop, is never more important
than when a film or franchise is of particular major
importance. For example, The Avengers failing wouldve
had widespread ramifications for all the other franchises
and studios as well. Or if Sonys quick reboot
The Amazing Spider-Man hadnt worked out, it
wouldve given pause to other studios attempting
to quickly bring characters back to the big screen
shortly after the end of a previous series (most notably,
the current rebooting of Batman on film, for example).
So,
with Warner Bros. future superhero adaptation
plans all pretty much hinging on the success of Batman
vs. Superman, a major underperformance or failure
of that movie would be so significant that it could
have a ripple effect hurting other studios plans
as well. Meaning Marvel isnt going to try to
do serious, major damage to Warners big superhero
team-up film. Fans would never forgive them if they
sabotaged the development of a cinematic DCU, audiences
might sour a bit on the genre overall, and doing so
would of course require tossing Captain America under
the bus to some extent by having his franchise act
as a land mine for the sole purpose of harming another
studios projects.
Likewise,
with so much riding on the success of their film and
the opening weekend being a chance to break records
and establish a winning narrative surrounding the
film, Warner isnt going to risk all of that
by sticking to a schedule that puts Batman vs. Superman
up against a major Marvel sequel. They also arent
out to try to damage a Marvel movie that could actually
benefit WBs own film whether Marvel moves
up to April or Warner drops back to June/July, chances
are Captain America 3 (if thats really the mystery
Marvel movie, of course) will kick off the super-summer
and prime the public for more. That arrangement works
both ways, too, since obviously the enormous buzz
surrounding the release of a Batman-Superman-Wonder-Woman
movie means audiences will be chomping at the bit
and any superhero movie that comes out at the head
of that feeding frenzy stands to gain enormous extra
box office for itself.
Disney-Marvel
arent in the business of spending hundreds of
billions of dollars to make films only to intentionally
cripple the films performance by using it as
a simple tool to trip someone else. Theyre so
far ahead of the game right now, and have such detailed
plans laid out, they dont remotely need to play
any silly, expensive games. They are sticking to their
guns on the May 6 release date right now precisely
because theres no reason not to. Its more
than two years away, and they likely already planned
to consider a change of release dates once Captain
America: The Winter Soldier opens to (my personal
guess, based on how great it is) $90 million in a
couple of weekends, since moving up gives them a wider
open field and theyve been working hard to establish
a new earlier start of the summer release schedule
anyway.
The
clout that comes from being the studio to officially
bring about that change which every other studio
will benefit from as well, since it means an even
longer summer season would be another nice
notch on Marvels belt. But theres really
no reason to make the change too soon, especially
if it gives the appearance of moving out of someone
elses way. They may not want to hurt one another
or risk damaging the genres status, but that
doesnt mean theyre out to make it too
easy on the competition, either.
To
the extent the studios are jockeying for position
in the release schedule, though, its not simply
a case of a stare-down. There are very real consequences
to the choice of release date and who gets positioned
where on the calendar. Hundreds of millions and even
billions of dollars are at stake, as are many careers
when a decision proves brilliant or fatally flawed.
Warner didnt just decide to see who is less
of a chicken or engage in a shoving match,
they moved to May 6th because its a huge release
date thats been dominated lately by Marvel and
is sort of a gateway into the summer release schedule.
Even if Warner actually has intentions to reschedule
the film at some later date since theres
more than two years until release, and they might
be the ones to move up their film into April before
Marvel makes the jump, or maybe move back to June
or July where theyve traditionally had plenty
of success it was worth making an initial incursion
into the early-May territory to gauge reactions and
see if that move would lead other studios to shuffle
their plans a bit, creating some other opening in
the calendar and changing the landscape for Warner
over the next several months and years. If Marvel
does seem likely to take an April date instead, then
Warner has already staked out the May territory so
nobody else feels too froggy and jumps to it instead.
While
its interesting to wonder hypotheticals, like
whether Batman vs. Superman could accept losses more
easily than Captain America 3 since the DC movie will
inevitably be so huge it has more ground to give up
or if Marvels film would only suffer
a smaller setback while still performing within acceptable
levels, while anything less than perhaps a billion
bucks might give the appearance of problems for the
DC team-up in the end its all speculation
that everyone should know is an exercise in imagination
that will never see fruition in the real world.
My
guess is that even lacking a Warner move into the
May time slot, Marvel was going to be tempted to reschedule
their film for April anyway. And meanwhile, Warner
will probably go ahead and stay in May if Marvel moves;
but if Marvel hasnt announced a move by mid-2015,
I wont be surprised if WB makes a choice to
move back to July and point out that the move creates
greater proximity and alignment with other upcoming
films in their DCU plans (but thats a whole
other story
). Both studios know that they each
lose too much from opening the same weekend, neither
is making a habit of throwing away tens of millions
of dollars and potentially hundreds of millions
on a rivalry that makes for good ink in the
press and goads fans into taking sides, but which
doesnt really exist when its time for
the adults in the room to make the big decisions about
their checkbooks.
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